Things Auto Body Shops Won't Tell You

7 Things Auto Body Shops Won't Tell You

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Last updated on August 27, 2022 Comments: 49

Thanks to Kiplinger’s Personal Finance via MSN Money, here are 7 things your auto-body shop won’t tell you. In fact, I could have used this article a few months ago when my car was in for repairs after an accident.

1. That fender bender will be a major expense. If the accident is your fault and you have the typical $500 deductible for a collision, kiss your money goodbye…

2. Approved shops are beholden to tightfisted insurers. Auto insurers contract with providers to repair vehicles for a pre-negotiated rate (think of it as managed care for sick cars). And your car could be the victim of cost cutting…

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3. Not all replacement parts are created equal. Original-equipment manufacturer (OEM) parts are designed to match precisely and may be safer. But insurers prefer that shops use generic or salvage replacement parts because they’re cheaper…

4. The due date is most likely fiction. Mechanics routinely blame missed deadlines on delays in parts delivery. The truth is that many of them take on more business than they can handle…

5. A rented car will cost you. Renting a car for three weeks could cost $1,000 or more. Even if you have optional rental-car insurance (which costs $1 or $2 a month), your daily reimbursement may be limited to the cost of a compact car.

6. Your car needs a shop that speaks its language. Many European cars use aluminum and ultrahard steel that require special equipment to repair… Shops should be certified by the manufacturer to do the work, meaning they must have specialized training and equipment — and charge higher rates.

7. The insurer’s warranty isn’t all it’s cracked up to be. Insurers sometimes dangle warranties on the parts (for as long as you own the vehicle) to entice you to go to shops in their network. But the body shop’s guarantee is the one that’s important.

Here are some of my thoughts and experience with this advice, first-hand:

1. I knew that if I were in any accident, there would be no getting around paying the full deductible. Any body work is sure to cost more than the $500 deductible. The article cites the cost of replacing a fender on two very different cars: A Buick might cost about $1,000 and a Mercedes up to $1,350. When any semi-serious damage required replacing the fender, there’s no way you can get by paying just part of the deductible.

2. My car insurance company (Liberty Mutual) makes it incredible easy to get back on the road after an accident. They took care of the financial aspect, while basically all I had to do was drop off the car and pick it up. Before doing so, the company provided me with a list of partnered repair facilities. Although I have a Honda, they recommended a repair shop “attached” to a Ford dealership.

They did the work, and on my first inspection, the work looked good. Months later, I could tell that the work was less than perfect. The plastic at the base of the side windows became slightly unglued, for instance.

3. According to the police report, the accident was my fault. The article suggests that insisting on OEM parts if the accident is not one’s fault, but that didn’t apply to me. The shop replaced the two driver’s side door panels, which were salvaged and painted to match my car. With such a cosmetic repair, I have no problem with salvaged parts. There are no dents, and the paint job was good enough.

4. I completely expected the repairs would take longer than the shop originally indicated, so I wasn’t too upset when they delivered almost a week after they promised. The insurance company was paying for my compact rental car. Although it was a little uncomfortable, I survived.

5. Speaking of the rental car, when I picked it up I asked to see if they had something nicer than the Saturn Ion. I might have been willing to pay for the difference.

6. If the work I needed to have done on my Honda Civic extended into some of the more technical parts, I would have felt more comfortable with a Honda dealer.

7. The insurance company and the shop both provided a lifetime guarantee. I am not completely confident in these lifetime guarantees. If I bring the car back to the shop for covered follow-up work, I get the feeling they would “find something” that’s not covered.

I’m glad my car is on the road, approaching 70,000 miles, and giving me no problems whatsoever. I’m looking forward to another 130,000 more.

Article comments

Sheryl says:

How would the body shop know that there was a problem with your engine?

Mir says:

So I was in a accident paid 4,000 out of pocket for body work to be done fixed my car to find out in the accident I cracked my head gasket and need a new engine can I sue for my money back atleast shouldn’t a body shop know i need engine work before even attempting to fix it or am I out 4,000 and this is how they rip people off I need to know what my options are can anyone help

Michael says:

Well, first of all, MAKE NO MISTAKE. This was no attempt to rip you off. From your post, you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. First of all, again, do you expect your optometrist to give you advice on how to clear up your facial acne when you go to get your eyes checked? Or to make recommendations about you weight and whether or not you should lose or gain weight? So then why would you expect the guys at an AUTO BODY shop to know or even care about how your car is running MECHANICALLY? They do body work and painting. The mechanical issues your car is having are not their concern. And since they are not mechanics, why would they attempt to diagnose or even ascertain as to whether or not your care is running well?? That’s not what they do. That’s why YOU also don’t diagnose mechanical issues with your own car and why you also don’t go around diagnosing and telling other people what is wrong with their cars. You are not a mechanic either. You take it to a mechanic.
Also, I can guarantee that the accident did not crack your head gasket. Also, was the car drivable after the accident or did you have it towed from the scene? Being as that the accident would have had ZERO effect on your head gasket, had your head gasket already been bad, you would certainly have known that driving the car after the accident and to the repair shop. If YOU then didn’t have it addressed while it was at the shop, that is not the AUTO BODY shops’ fault. Now, had the accident somehow actually cracked your head(s), the accident would have certainly been soo bad that you would have had to have it towed to the shop. But the likely hood that your head(s) were cracked from the accident is almost ZERO and if it had been, the damage from the accident would have been so bad that the vehicle would definitely have had to be towed to the shop and would have also been a Total Loss(meaning the cost of the repairs would have exceeded the value of the car). At which point you wouldn’t be fixing the vehicle anyway.
Also, since your car was running perfectly before you took it in to the shop, and then somehow blew the head gaskets or even more unlikely, cracked the heads right after you dropped the vehicle off at the shop, that means that happened while you car was in the shop getting the AUTO BODY repairs completed. But since your car was probably only driven a couple hundred feet at the most while it was in the shop getting repaired, I can almost 100% guarantee that didn’t happen at the shop.
Which only leaves what actually happened. That the car already had a blown head gasket or a cracked head before and that somehow you didn’t realize that your car was running like crap before you took it in. Which begs the question, why should the paint and auto body shop have known your car needed very extensive mechanical work but somehow you didn’t know that or couldn’t tell that before you took it in??
And, they drove you car very little while it was there. They are body men and painters, not mechanics. If you didn’t point it out to them when you drop it off, they are certainly not looking for mechanical issues to address with you.
And lastly… It’s called a blown head gasket because you can’t crack you head gasket. It’s a gasket. When it’s considered blown, that means it is no good and is now leaking. You can however crack the cylinder head(s) on your motor. Which is what you probably meant when you said that you cracked your head gaskets. Having to get new head gaskets for you car is not an uncommon thing to have to have done to you car, especially once it reaches a certain age and mileage. It pretty labor intensive so its usually fairly costly also. Repairing cracked heads is also a somewhat common repair. Usually in older, high mileage cars. New heads are not cheap and the labor is even more extensive for this repair making it usually a very costly repairs. $1200, $1500, $2000, easily, depending on the car??
But my confusion is… Why, if you had either a blown head gasket or a cracked head, would you need to replace the motor? That is not the fix for either of those 2 things… And if you needed a new motor, that tells me that there was such extensive front end damage to your car that it actually damaged the motor itself. However, definitely not a blown head gasket and most likely not a cracked head would have been the extent of the damage caused by the accident. And if the damage caused you to need a new motor, than YOU should have been able to see that the motor was damaged and also needed repairs before you made a deal with the AUTO BODY shop to repair $4000 worth of damage to the body of the car.
So take accountability for you own short comings in this situation. Was the damage bad enough YOU should have known there was probably motor damage? Was it already running crappy before and you just didn’t make an effort to figure it out? And coincidently after you paid $4000 to fix the damage, the mechanical repairs also became necessary? Should you have known that mechanically it might have been running sound enough to justify $4000 in auto body repairs? And, as everything that I’ve said shows that the shop had nothing to do with it and really had no reason to diagnose it or give it any attention on their part… Could it just be that you understandably don’t like having invested $4000 into a car that needs alot more repairs and so your acting extremely whiny about it, making claims about cracked head gaskets, which isn’t really even a thing, and now you’re hoping to con the shop out of the money that you rightfully paid to them as they completed the work they agreed to to?
“Is this how they rip poeple off?(snivel snivel whine snivel) Is WHAT how WHO rips WHICH people off?? Don’t you mean, “Is doing the job THEY agreed to do for the money that YOU agreed to pay for it how THEY rip people off?” Now you see how stupid you asking that sounds. And when you say, “…how they rip (WHICH)people off?” Don’t you mean, “… how a shop who did the work that they agreed, WITH YOU, to do rips ignorant, irrational, whiney and entitled little sniveling babies off? Because if you didn’t mean that, you should have. Nobody was trying to rip you off. Stop making absurd, unsubstantiated and such egregious claims about shops and their employees!! I mean, who in the hell do you think that you are anyway??

Bill Bently says:

Having worked on both the bodyshop side and the insurance side, this is the most inaccurate article I’ve read in a long time.

Michael says:

The author’s level of ignorance is astounding. How he didn’t know everything he was saying was absurd and unsubstantiated is alarming. And if he did know and still felt compelled to write such crap anyway, he should be embarrassed at how unbelievably ridiculous and completely inaccurate the entire article is…

Jessica Escalante says:

A sensor went out in my Lexus; I took it to the Toyota dealership service center. The mechanic “accidentally” stripped the sensor holder(I have no idea where this sensor is). Now they want me to pay for the part that was stripped due to the new sensor not fitting correctly. This part is another 1800!! I’m super mad, is this even possible? Can the dealership make me pay for this part?

Bershauna yancey says:

My car engine failed so I decided to get it replaced. The mechanic said he could do it for 3200, I paid him 1650 down and was told I pay the rest upon pick up. He has now had my car for 3 months , I spent about 3200 in rentals and he’s saying he may not be able to fix it. What can I do ??

Pac0 says:

Hold them responsible for each reasonable day after date promised for out of pocket expenses also communicate in writing /email so you have something more then a he said she said

Jernice bell says:

The accessor whom checked my damages on my car along with me knowing that I had 8271 miles on my car.. but now it has 8568 why would body shop allow someone to drive my car putting miles unapproved

Lenmo says:

I used a small repair shop to save money rather than taking it to the dealer and I didnt feel like doing a damper on a low packed engine compartment. I paid a fraction if the cost (cash)and the guy drove and ran my Vette into a curb (as far as I can guess) destroying the front frame and hitting the front wheel into the curb making it oval. Dealer fixed his mistake and repaired his trashing of my frame , a new rim (vette has 2 parts to the frame), and the body work. They did a great job (and specialize in Vettes) I had to sue him as he denied they drove my car or did anything wrong. It has 20k miles. I won $1500 after spending over 5k on body work and to redo the damper that is one bolt. The bolt fell out after I drove home from the the shop. He also managed to lift the car improperly crushing the fiberglass rockets. Dont feel bad. I will only use a dealer now. It’s more expensive but they wont take your car for a ride, do the job right and once. And I’m still waiting for my money. I’ll never see it. He’s played the game before. I need to serve him again and drag him into court again to get him to pay the judgement. It just isnt worth the time for so little money. Pitiful how our justice system protects the criminals and punishes the innocent. The guy is a complete pos and deserves a slow death by cancer. Just remember it could have been worse. Just be happy you got your car back in one piece.

Roseann says:

We hit a deer with our car & the Ins. Co. totaled out the car. Then they offered us an option to buy back the car if we wanted to have it repaired. We took our car to a body shop and we STRESSED that we wanted the car to be legal and safe, he gave us an estimate for the body work. He never said that anything else was wrong with the car, so when we picked up the car we noticed that the car was shaking. We then took the car to another repair shop & the first thing that they did was put it up on a lift. Within a few minutes they came out to tell me that the frame on the car was cracked and that it wasn’t safe to drive. I called the body shop where we had the work done on the car, & told him about the cracked frame; & asked him if he put the car on the lift to check things out before doing the work. His answer was that he put the car on the lift, but never raised it up to check it out. It cost us $1600.00 for body work and it cost us two hundred and something for the buy back, that’s how much money we’re out. While trying to discuss the situation with this man he didn’t want to even acknowledge that it was his responsibility to inform me of the cracked frame. Why in the world would anyone put that kind of money into a car, if you wouldn’t be able to drive it. It was unsafe and not legal if it would never pass inspection. Do I have the law on my side?? I am going to small claims court in two days. I would appreciate some input on my situation.

Connie thomas says:

Can a body shop charge you for keeping the car there for months after no response from the deliver that hit me what can I do about a 3,000 bill the body shop has given me

Ashley says:

I’m slightly confused as to what you are asking? Yes a shop can charge you storage for leaving your car there for months after work has been completed. For example my shop charges $55 per day, but we only charge that in instances where the customer was notified several times their car was completed and just didn’t come to pick it up for weeks or months for no legitimate reason. If you clarify what you are asking I could probably help more.

Jamsheed says:

When insurance estimated 800 of 1000 deductible due hit rear ended she has no insurance drivers license or current tag she was arrested 17 times drugs and many times for not having dL or insurance .my insurance company said if cost over 1000 they rent me. I did rent for a week Any way. What kind of crap is this so finally after a month I did took it. Let’s see they ok my car rental.

michael madariaga says:

I was in an accident not my fault. My car was a 2008 Chevy Malibu. The fender , Bumper and lights were damage. I took it to Gosh Collision Temecula My insurance Esurance said it was total. Now when I took it in the estimate was 2,082 then the insurance said that the body shop said it was now over 4000 to fix. The car has the front strip and I have to tow the car out or pay 200 to put the front back on even though I drove it in and they wont work on it

Kaylyn says:

In WV I was hit by an uninsured driver who ran a red light. I have found out that your insurance company is not your friend because as soon as you say the word uninsured, you’re on your own. When I called my State Farm agent, she was sweet as syrup. I told her the other driver was at fault & the police report would show that. But when I said the at fault driver was uninsured she shut me down. She stopped talking and put me through to the claims dept & hasn’t spoken to me since. When I’ve called her to ask questions, she will not speak to me, just puts me through to claims. It’s so obviously shady. They won’t give you any info, you make your own calls to find out anything because no one will call you to inform about your car, the tow, the repair shop, the damage, your rental, if or when your car will be repaired, etc. Nothing, zip, zero. I’ve never really been in an accident so didn’t know what I was up against. So now I have my car, the body work is shabby, I’ve taken it back but they just make excuses about their work as if I didn’t know what my own car looked like before the accident. The day after picking up car, I heard a noise my car didn’t have before, I told them about it when I took it back bc of the body work & was told it was my exhaust pipe which happens to run from the front of the car where it was hit all the way to the back of the car. But he’s telling me it was not related to the accident. WHAT?! State farm says same thing. What a happy coincidence for them. Now I have to pay for getting it inspected to get a report of whether it’s related to the accident. And I’m telling you, my car isn’t worth a quarter as much as it was. & of course WV isn’t a state that considers diminished value claims. Now I know why insurance companies are considered low down dirty thieves.

Trying to Help says:

As a consumer, your goal should always be to get your vehicle back to it’s original form, function, and value after an accident. That is very hard to do, if you simply trust your insurance “partner”. That entity is going to make every effort to control their costs at every step, even if your safety or the value of your investment is in question. The best answers to this are:

1. Go in to the repair knowing that you need to protect your own interests. Don’t just blindly trust your insurance company to do what is right for you, because they likely won’t.
2. Know what you signed in your policy and what repair requirements you signed on for. You can bet it’s the lowest cost and quality parts possible to save the insurer money. You can always fight with your payer for what is right or pay for the correct parts and processes yourself.
3. Know your state laws. There is protection available to you with some work. Aftermarket parts ARE NOT equal and laws generally require the insurer to prove to you that they are. Ask for crash testing data to prove that they are the same.
4. Research your repair options. All auto body shops are not created equal, despite what your insurance company tells you. Most aren’t very good at all at fixing your car correctly to OEM standards, because they are constantly pressured to use substandard parts and go faster and faster by the insurance company.
5. Don’t be afraid to collect in court. It’s your investment and safety at play. Like most, you just want it done correctly and for the payer to pay for what they are supposed to. If someone hits you, they are responsible to make it 100% right.

Being in an accident is traumatic and rarely something that people are comfortable with. Just trust your instincts and know that the cheapest repair is rarely the correct repair.

Diana Christianson says:

I would love to know how much Liberty
Mutual paid you or what compensation of any kind you received for doing a Liberty Mutual shout out. Because the insurance commission needs to put them out of business. If you received nothing I apologize in advance.

Tammy Turtle says:

Liberty Mutual is the worst insurance company out there!

Momther Waite says:

I noticed many flaws with the repair work on my Black VW, after a low speed rear end accident, I immediately, returned to the repair shop, it was addressed ASAP. I knew that only a VW repair shop should do the work. However I sometimes feel like the floorboard may fall out, & my azz will be Flintstoning around town. Good article. Wrecked car, damaged goods, never the same.

Charlene Thornton says:

I went to pick up my car from the shop and they said that they found a problem not related to the accident that clearly was from the accident and now the insurance company won’t pay to fix it.

Lashorna says:

I’m in a similar situation my inassurance company took 3 weeks afterm the accident for 1stestimate. 1week later it was another.accider happen April 3rd and my jeep is still in the shop undone

Xavier Salas says:

It is true that not all replacement parts are created equal and you need to have the specialist that is working on your car disclose this information to you. A lot of people forget this and simply assume that their car is back to normal. While this is somewhat true, it is not back to 100%. This information would be perfect for anyone who realize something is different about their car after they have gone in to a repair shop. Thanks again for the advice!

Anonymous says:

This is the first time I have ever even dealt with a body shop and collision repairs… and man is it frustrating.

First off, I own a full size crew cab truck which I use in my business. The insurance company will only cover the cost of basic transportation. And apparently in Missouri, this is all they are required to do. I complained and they assured me that they would pay the difference once the bill comes in, but under a reimbursement. I have to foot the bill up front and trust them to mail me a check. In addition the truck they found me is a itty bitty Nissan Frontier… practically useless in what I do.

And now repairs that were to be done in 4 days (haha) or well over a week, with no promises being made at this point. Well, no promises that mean anything to me at this point.

And all this is happening when I was not at fault at all. I wasn’t even in my truck at the time. It was sitting motionless in a parking lot! The guys insurance is Acceptance, a company I never heard of till this happened.

My suggestions? Don’t get your big work vehicle hit in Missouri. You are just plain screwed.

Gloria Gibbons says:

First, it’s not only Missouri it’s Nationwide. The problem starts when these no name insurance companies take mostly Hispanics and poor people’s money every month and then when they cause the wreck, the insurance company will not pay. Not to mention the no name insurance company is so bad a lot of auto body repair shops will not work with the no name insurance. I know, I was hit wile parked by a hispanic who had ACCC insurance and it took me three weeks just to get them to take responsibility, and when I did drop it off at the body shop, the body shop said nope want fix it because it is ACCC insurance. I then turned to my own insurance and guess what they told me the problem was the body shop refuses to fix my car because it’s ACCC insurance that is the at-fault party’s insurance and they do not work with ACCC. Better hope you dont get hit by a person who has ACCC insurance they have a bad reputation, and the most hateful idiot people working for them. You get hit you are going to be without repair.

Anonymous says:

These no name insurance companies not only deal with Hispanics and poor they also deal with white trash like you.

Julie says:

Thank you, well said Anonymous!!!!!!
I was thinking the same thing after I read, and then RE-READ her ridiculous comment to make sure I was reading that correctly. I guess it’s safe to say that Ms Gloria Gibbons not only dislikes Hispanics, but poor people too.

Tom Tilliman says:

Get real people. One day you’ll end up trying to get a claim by a no name insurance company and you’ll see the type individuals that would rather have 50 tattoos than spend that money on reliable insurance

Anonymous says:

Yeah, I don’t really take a mechanic’s word for it 100% when it comes to #7. After having experience with getting auto repairs after an accident, I know a lot of places will “find something” that needs to be fixed. It’s tough to find a reputable place you can trust, but word of mouth goes a long way.

Anonymous says:

In 2010 my car was in an accident, major damage. Car was taken to a body shop not on preferred list. 2015 same car, same insurance company, car involved in minor accident, under 3,000 dollars in repairs. Current body shop finds damage to car sustained in 2010 was never repaired, current body shop obtained paperwork from 2010 accident. It shows insurance company paid the body shop in 2010 for work it claimed it had performed. this includes safety repairs, again billed, but not performed. the cost is in the few thousand dollar range, so bad that the body shop wants me to sign a form releasing them of any liability in case no repairs are done. Ins company trying to tell me that since 2010 shop was not on preferred list they dont have to guarantee the work.I contend it doesn’t apply in my case, because they guarantee the work, no work was performed in my case, Nothing to guarantee. What did occur is the 2010 body shop commited fraud on the ins co. The paperwork is available, the physical evidence is available, and testimony from the body shop is available. The hints I’m getting is the insurance co. is going to turn its back on this and do nothing. if this occurs, I have no choice but to sue the insurance co

Anonymous says:

I had an accident in my work vehicle in Apirl and the body shop told me I will have my vehicle back two in half month,and to this date it’s been four months.. Do I have any lost of wages do from time lost?

Anonymous says:

I would definitely check with the insurance company paying the damages to see what is covered under the policy.

Anonymous says:

I’m a shop owner, and I have to disagree (at my peril) with the notion that an insurance company’s warranty doesn’t mean anything… I have repaired cars at my shop that came from other shops who used to be on the insurance company’s program and had since shut down. These were warranty repairs people, and I got paid fully while the customer who used our facility for the warranty work did not have to pay a dime out of their pocket.

Yes, as long as you are a preferred shop for a particular insurance company and you overlook something or do poor work those warranty repairs will be sent back to your shop and you will have to fix them for free. However, I’ve been paid whenever the insurance company chose to use a non-OEM part and then we ended up using OEM because the part was defective and brought back for warranty. Am I missing something???

Signs of a great shop are shops that will 1) Not give you an expected date due for substantial repair orders until the vehicle is torn down and ALL parts are ordered with delivery dates known, 2) Will call you during the repair process to update you on any changes to the completion date, and 3) Will test parts fit before ever accepting parts (yes you can pre-fit a part and return it if it doesn’t fit–take a picture and the insurance company will even pay the shop for pre-fit of a/m or non OEM parts)

I hope consumers are aware that although insurance companies do have a grip on many shops, that grip is limited to maintaining lower cost repairs–certainly not quality of workmanship because it’s the shop that can allow in improper repair slip through its fingers.

Anonymous says:

I completely agree with test fitting parts and also with earlier mention of refusing to use parts that are not OEM quality or have poor repairs (remanufactured parts). As a rule of thumb I will order the parts sought out by the insurance company and I will also order a new OEM part. This practice prevents any delays in parts delivery. If the part found by the insurance company in not the same quality as what was on the vehicle prior to the accident I will photograph it and use the new OEM. If it is of the same quality then obviously we would use the one the insurance company requested. We will also not use aftermarket parts on any insurance pay job unless the matter has been addressed with the customer prior to repairs as law here says they cannot replace OEM parts with aftermarket unless approved by the customer. Of course there be some language in their policy that states otherwise but we always check before using aftermarket.

Anonymous says:

1. That fender bender will be a major expense.
-Not always. Parts can often be repaired to save costs with no loss of structural quality. You need a shop with expert technicians, and not a shop of hackers that like to keep customers in the dark.

2 Approved shops are beholden to tightfisted insurers
-Not always. Occasionally, insurance companies will actually give the shops a fair rate. reputable shops will not work for pennies on the dollar and cut corners. but many hackers and fly-by-nights at many “pro shops” are surely cutting corners; it is documented.

3 Not all replacement parts are created equal.
-OEM is better, but aftermarket parts installed by an expert tech look perfect and are structurally identical 75% of the time.

4. The due date is most likely fiction.
-make sure you specify to a shop if you have a back up car or if you are renting and flexible or not on the due date. A professional will pick a date and do his best to meet it.

5. A rented car will cost you.
-agreed, sometimes people just dont have sufficient rental coverage

6. Your car needs a shop that speaks its language.
-NOT TRUE. experts can handle all makes and models 99% of the time and if they cant a reputable shop will tell you and not perform shoddy repairs.

7. The insurer’s warranty isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.
-AGREE 1000%. it is the shops warranty that matters. pick a reputable shop with a great warranty, like ours a 100% satisfaction warranty for as long as you own the vehicle.

Summation: Good thoughts by the article writer but the points are often misguided with incomplete information. With 30 years experience in this business, rest assured that my above post is the whole truth. Period.

Anonymous says:

Couple of comments from an Auto Body Shop owner…
The BBB only lists shops in it’s network. No BBB complaint might only mean that the shop declined membership (it’s expensive)
The mechanic referral will direct you to the shop of his friend or the shop that sends him work.
In my shop we often take the insurance money for aftermarket parts and purchase original factory parts and take a small loss(on that one part) in order to turn out high quality work and so we don’t have to fuss with poor fit and corrosion problems.
Attention to detail and a love of the trade are the most important qualities in a technician. Young kids smoking and joking and listening to the music too loud should be avoided.
Make sure the shop repairs to the manufacturer’s specifications.
Most Direct Repair Shops are fair to good, if they weren’t, they would get dropped by the insurance company.
I find the best shops are the ones where the owner is hands on. Also, USAA Stars shops are always the best.
Use my shop and I promise you’ll be happy with your car. 🙂
Summerlin Auto Body in Las Vegas.

Anonymous says:

I can attest to ordering OEM and only being paid for aftermarket. And funny that my husband and I are the only ones who touch the vehicle from start to finish. We actually get jobs based on the fact that we, as owners, are hands-on. We have taken many jobs away from our largest competitors because people are realizing that going with the competitor is too impersonal.

Anonymous says:

I recently sent this to the author of “7 things…”

I just came across your “7 things auto-body shops won’t tell you” and as a 2nd generation shop owner and industry writer, I find some of what you say right on target and other things, well, not so much.

I work hard to be an advocate for our industry and so am compelled to give you a few of my thoughts. I hope you find them informative and perhaps you will change some of your beliefs about receiving auto body repair.

Your item #2:

It is true that insurers make “agreements” with shops for pre-negotiated labor rates and set fees for certain operations. However, the insurers then attempt to make these contracted rates “stick” with all shops, from ABC to XYZ. The vast majority of shops are under the thumb of insurers when it comes to reimbursement with or without an “agreement”. However, you are not going to see an honest shop cutting corners by repairing parts they get paid to replace and inferring that this is a common tempted practice makes the entire industry appear questionable, when we are not. Most of us are independent business owners and our reputation with our customer is on the line everyday and everyday shop and after shop is doing the right thing by the customer.

The best place for people to get a referral to a repair shop is from family and friends with similar tastes and expectations when purchasing a service. Another good source is with the independent mechanic they may have a relationship with. The online services such as the one you mention are not hard to get listed on and only require you to pay the fee. I recommend that people check further than those types of listings by going to the BBB website or their state justice department and confirm the business has an honorable reputation. They should also look for certification in welding by I-CAR, and in competence by ASE. I-CAR provides a professional designation if certain levels of training are maintain so a consumer can look for this too, it’s the I-CAR Gold Glass Professional. If a shop doesn’t have an I-CAR certified welder (or equivalent – I don’t know what the equivalent is) and ask to see the documentation, the consumer should move on. ASE certifies competence through testing different aspects of the repair process, such as estimating, collision repair and painting.

Your item #3:

While everything here is as we experience it, there’s a touch more going on. Often in 3rd party claims – when it’s not your fault – it is becoming nearly impossible to get OEM parts for our customer. Insurers are just telling shops and customers that if they don’t like their settlement then go through their own carrier. By doing this the customer is then restricted by their own policy, in turn their insurer goes other the 3rd party insurer to collect and they still don’t have to pay for OEM parts. In addition, usually the only way we can get an insurer to pay for OEM parts is to provide proof that the aftermarket parts do not fit or are of inferior in terms of how they look – like in headlamp reflectors – when compared to the OEM. The way this is accomplished is by actually ordering the specified aftermarket parts, and when they are inferior – which isn’t always the case, but it is more often than not – calling the insurer for OEM parts approval. This in and of itself can easily add a week to the process depending on the insurers requirements for approval, some have to physically inspect the parts on location.

Your item #4:

Mechanics are synonymous with mechanical repair such as engine servicing which is not auto body repair. In auto body repair we have repair technicians; however, it is the estimator or customer service representative that normally communicates with the customer. The items that hamper an accurate delivery date more frequently than not, is not the shop over-scheduling, it is the waiting the shop must do for an insurer to approve things they either did not see or intentionally left off an estimate they prepared and in turn, handed to the customer to take to the body shop. The body shop, if not one of “contracted” providers you warn against earlier, is required, if they want to receive payment, to get approvals for every line item of labor, parts or materials PRIOR to moving ahead to correctly repair the vehicle. This is time-consuming and riddled with delays inflicted upon shops by insurers trying to get out of paying what they should.

Your item #6:

This is true for some of the top-end models in some of the higher-end lines. Not all models of all higher-end lines. Additionally, very few shops will actually have access to the certification process as it may be limited by market by the manufacturer to some extent. The investment, for example, to be Audi certified to repair Audi’s top-end models may exceed $100,000 and require a dedicated area for only that make of vehicle. Obviously, not every shop is in this kind of a repair market and are very qualified through other training and resources to repair nearly every other vehicle. If a consumer does their homework when looking for a shop, if a repairer is not qualified to work on their vehicle, they will tell them so. As an industry we want properly repaired vehicles, happy customers and we don’t want to expose ourselves to something we don’t know how to do. And don’t expect insurers to be willing to pay a higher price for a better repair. There are back yard shops in every community, they get paid the same rates by insurers as those of us who maintain a store front, donate to our communities, train and certify our employees and provide our employees with a benefits package.

I am also a freelance writer in the industry.

Thank you for your time,

Car Cam
Second generation body shop owner

Anonymous says:

Chris you raised a good point for all to take note of. You felt you had more choices because of not being the “at fault” party, ie. not going through your own insurance company. Having been in the collision repair business for over 30 years I have seen people have more problems with there own insurance company than the other party’s. Why do we feel that we must accept less from the people we pay to insure us. Often times we trap ourselves when we shop for lower rates, don’t we all, and signup with a new carrier only to find that cut rates often mean cut services such as inferior parts to those that were on the car at the time of the accident, rental car surprises, etc. The insurance company generally has to pay to restore your car to pre-accident condition, a misnomer in itself because before your car was in the accident it was “accident-free” and even after the repairs, it was now a repaired vehicle. However, if your had OEM(original equipment manufactured) parts on it before the accident, shouldn’t it also have them after the accident. If this is explained to you that this is how your insurance company is “keeping your costs down”, translate “keeping their profits up”, at your expense, then ask yourself this: How often has my premium gone down over the years with my carrier, even without any claims? Is the enormous profit taking by my insurance company done at the expense of my safety? Ask your claims adjuster if the aftermarket sheet metal has been crash tested as the OEM parts were? If they say yes, ask them to produce the results of the test. They can’t do that because they are not crash tested, even parts designated as CAPA approved and DOT approved only have been tested for corrosion and possibly weld strength, not how they stand up in a collision.

Anonymous says:

And also remember that some of the reason your rates go up, isn’t because of the repair or parts but what about the people that sue your company for no or minor injuries thinking they can get a free ride for a while? Insurance companies try to keep the cost low for the repair for many reasons, you need to look at the big picture.

Anonymous says:

Re : Flexo’s honda repair,

maybe you should read your insurance policy and see what they would do for you in an accident, You get what you pay for !

If your not 100 % satisfied then take it back to the shop and have it done correctly. next time do your home work and find a shop on your own. Ask around, or check the better business bureau.

To your dismay the insurance company only owes you basic transportation for a rental, You should be happy you had a car to drive, i laugh at people who drive pieces of crap and expect to receive a new luxury car in trade, lucky they don’t rent old used cars.

Anonymous says:

I always advise customers that the shops on the insurance company list are not necessarily the best choices. They need to choose what is right for them. I also make sure to let them know that the warranty the insurance company promises is not provided by the insurance company at all. It is a requirement under the contract in order to be on the preferred shop list. Your warranty is always supplied by the shop. Even if my shop would fail to adequately fix a concern, the insurance company will send it to a different shop and mail me the bill. Funny that they get by claiming they offer the warranty! Just a thought. As for getting your vehicle repaired at a repair shop that specializes in your make of vehicle I will say that many shops can handle any of the specialized material on any make and model. And bonus for you, my labor rate doesn’t differ whether it is a Buick or Mercedes. Look for I-CAR and ASE certifications. When in doubt ask that the repairs needed be explained so that you are confident that the shop is equipped and knowledgeable.


I totally agree as the insurance companies are only concerned with how little they can spend to make you think your vehicle is repaired. However I disagree with your labor rate comment. I know it is your business and you can do whatever you want, I do believe that a shop that holds certifications should and do get paid more. Remember just because you can fix that BMW or Mercedes does not necessary mean you are fixing it properly. Even if you think you are and even if cosmetically it looks perfect. As Mike Anderson always says, “you don’t know what you don’t know.” Trained certified facilities have gone through extensive training to repair that BMW or Mercedes back to OE specs. Sometimes I-CAR will give you wrong repair procedures specific to the OE because they do not have access to the proper information. With the sophistication in the modern car with all the advanced metals and composites you better be sure you know everything about how to repair that car because someones life depends on it. That training costs a shop a ton of money and they need to get a return on that investment along with a profit. remember we all got into business to make profit……and it is not a dirty word. So get trained and charge what you need to in order to make a profit……not just a paycheck. Insurance companies have brainwashed most in our industry into believing that we should and can fix anything that comes into our facility at the rate they force shops to work for while they sit back and make millions even billions in profits. Crazy that we are trying to capture repairs by offering our specialized skills for a few dollars than the guy down the road. We shop owners are the problem…..not the insurance companies. They are just laughing to the bank because the industry is so stuck in its ways.

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Anonymous says:

The rental car numbers threw me off, I thought it was really cheap to rent a car, but apparently I am wrong!

I blame my lack of knowledge on the fact I have never rented a car before as I am not even of age to do so at about 21, lol.

Why do they make it so you have to be 23 anyways? Doesn’t make sense!

Anonymous says:

4. I had a repair they said would take a couple weeks…in May. In December they were finally finished. Never took the car there again, but had to finish the original repairs there since the insurance company had already paid them.

Anonymous says:

I can not imagine that a vehicle sat in a shop for that lond and you did nothing to get it out? Depending on the labor hours and total cost of the repair, after 6 weeks tops, you should have taken your complaint to the insurance company, asked to see your vehicle and got it out of that shop right away. Was it under investigation or something that actually held up the repair? Was it drivable? All these questions come into play when you have an issue with down time. Sometimes you can’t always blame the repairer.

Anonymous says:

This is absolutely and completely uncalled for and ridiculous. Unless this was a brand new car with no replacement factory parts available there is no excuse for the delay. There has never been a vehicle in my shop for more than 2 weeks whether it was pre-scheduled or towed in. This definitely give repair shops a bad name. You only make enemies out of your customers when you take on more than you can handle.

Anonymous says:

I was in a front in collision a few years ago when a woman ran a red light in front of me. My experience may have been different because the accident was not my fault, but I was very satisfied with the insurance company.

Her insurance was State Farm, and undoubtedly insurance companies are not equal.

I insisted I take the vehicle to my dealership for the repairs and they had no objection. The rental car I did have a snag on. I insisted I get a comparable vehicle (mine was to be in the shop for a few months) and they agreed and gave me an SUV. At the end, they did try to only pay for the ‘compact’ but after flat refusing to pay based on their comparable vehicle clause they dropped the charges.

I did do some research online at the time and as I recall, insurance companies cannot force you to go to any repair shop unless you’ve agreed to the restriction in your policy (ie, you’re dealing with your insurance not someone else) and I think the comparable size vehicle rental option is common. The number of alloted miles they give you is also very negotiable.

If you are in an accident that is not your fault you have a lot of room to demand top quality service. My body shop was great, and I actually got it 2 weeks late because after they finished the inspector went over it and saw a few things for them to redo.